Wednesday, April 29, 2009

gogreen18 (1 Corinthians 1:18-21)

Today was a really nice day.

I went to Richmond to walk around and kill some time.

FYI, killing time means wasting my precious time that God has given me.

Repentence is the thing I need to work on when it comes to time.

God, please forgive me for my sin and my lack of wisdom.

Continuing on, I was watching some Jaeson Ma videos on youtube.

While hearing his testimony again and watching other clips, I encounter another video.

Talks about a "crazy" preacher vs. the students, professors, and Atheists.

Interesting clips, but I lost the link to it so I could've show some on this blog.

AND THEN, I encounter another "neat" videos.

The video is called "Evil: God loves it, you should too" by gogreen18

I watched the other of her videos.

My heart...my heart is crying.

My heart is crying for God to have mercy on her.

I went to her space, and I see many comments saying that they love her videos and agreeing to HER opinions or points.

Now, I won't message her just yet...maybe some day.

In this video, she rebutting the first six theodicies.

If you watch her video, then you should know that God is all knowing, all loving, and all powerful.

When I finish watching her video, GUESS WHAT?

I'm going to be rebutting HER POINTS on this blog.

I'm very glad that I could download her points in a document.

So here is what she said:

I.                   Big-plan theodicy


a.       What it is:


                                                              i.      All suffering of innocent beings is part of a big plan and had to happen.  The whole plan, however, is completely good.


b.      Defeated:


                                                              i.      If God is all powerful, he can devise a “big plan” which does not encompass evil.


II.                Punishment theodicy


a.       What it is:


                                                              i.      When we see people suffer terribly, the reason for this is that they have sinned.  Their suffering is a punishment for their sins.


b.      Defeated:


                                                              i.      This is explains why God would punish evil-doers.  However, much of the suffering is undeserved.  Take children, and those born into poverty, slavery, or otherwise: they still suffer tremendously.  Also, this can be defeated with the argument of omnibenevolence: an all-loving god would not create suffering in the first place.


III.             Suffering-builds-character theodicy


a.       What it is:


                                                              i.      The basic idea is that suffering of innocents will help them to become stronger.  All evil offers us the possibility to learn from it and grow into a better human being.  This theodicy is sometimes called the “soul-making theodicy”.


b.      Defeated:


                                                              i.      If God is all powerful he could have eliminated the need for evil by making us characterized to begin with.


IV.             Contrast theodicy


a.         What it is:


                                                              i.      We need evil in the universe to know that there is good.  If there were no evil and everything were good, we could not tell that it is good.


b.      Defeated:


                                                              i.      If God were omnibenevolent he would not have neglected to make the good that we are lacking in place of evil.


V.                Devil theodicy


a.       What it is:


                                                              i.      Innocent suffer because the devil likes to let innocents suffer.


b.      Defeated:


                                                              i.      If God were omnipotent he could override the power of Satan.  This also suggests that Satan exists outside of God, a whole new problem unto itself.


VI.             Test theodicy


a.       What it is:


                                                              i.      Earthly life is just a test.  God has thrown us into this world full of evil and pointless suffering in order to find out what kind of beings we are.  Without the pointless suffering, his test is not complete.  If we pass, we go to heaven.  If we fail, we go to hell.


b.      Defeated:


                                                              i.      God cannot be omniscient under this premise, because then he would already know whether or not I’m going to fail and the test would be pointless in the first place.


 


 


Free will cap:  If God is all knowing, you can’t have free will.  Ka-ching!


 

I won't make points but I'm just going to refute whatever she said.

 

"If God is all powerful, he can devise a “big plan” which does not encompass evil."

First of all, God is powerful. How can you judge His power? His big plan was perfect, without evil. God has made everything good in the first place, but man CHOSE to disobey God. Sure, lets say God destroys Satan and all the evil doing, but that means He's going to destroy us because of our sins. If you don't know who God is, then I'll tell you who He is. He is UNCHANGING. He doesn't need you even though every one of us in the world are Atheists or evil.

 

"This is explains why God would punish evil-doers.  However, much of the suffering is undeserved.  Take children, and those born into poverty, slavery, or otherwise: they still suffer tremendously.  Also, this can be defeated with the argument of omnibenevolence: an all-loving god would not create suffering in the first place."


Another point that is unrevelant and does not support much of her claims. God didn't create suffering in the first place. He made everything good. His creation was perfect in the first place. First place...the beginning.


"The basic idea is that suffering of innocents will help them to become stronger.  All evil offers us the possibility to learn from it and grow into a better human being.  This theodicy is sometimes called the “soul-making theodicy. If God is all powerful he could have eliminated the need for evil by making us characterized to begin with."


Actually, I disagreed with this theodicy, Suffering doesn't make innocents stronger, but makes Christians stronger...actually disciplines Christians. Like the Israelites that escaped from Egypt from all the suffering and hardworking. While going into battle, they defeated the people who opposed them. She said it again, to begin with. God made Adam the person He wanted him to be. A faithful servant of God. God lets innocent suffer because He wants them to realize that they are miserable and useless without Him. Let darkness surround that person and suffer more until that person truly realize he/she needs someone to help him/her.


"If God were omnibenevolent he would not have neglected to make the good that we are lacking in place of evil."


In the video, she said "first place" again. I was watching this point very carefully. God is omnibenevolent because He doesn't want to control us like a robot, He gives us "free-will" to do whatever we want. He gave Adam the command to not eat "the tree of the knowledge of good and evil". He gave Adam a choice to disobey God or to obey Him. Adam and Eve didn't know their conscience. They didn't know what was right or what was wrong. God simply told them to not eat that fruit. God said YOU ARE "FREE" to eat from any tree in the garden, but you MUST NOT eat from the...Adam and Eve only knew what "life" is. Life by the Spirit. *CAUTION* I guess that they only knew what the fruit of the Spirit is. Name them? Well, it is just LOVE. Don't test my God gal.


"If God were omnipotent he could override the power of Satan.  This also suggests that Satan exists outside of God, a whole new problem unto itself."


God does love the innocents. It is just that human mankind, including the innocents, pushed God away and doesn't want Him to be in their lives. You can say God never left them in spirit, but "physically" pushed Him away out of their doors and shut them tight so that God can't come in. As God is outside of their spirit, Satan overrides them. God could override Satan, but Satan is already living inside of those innocents. As a loving God, He lets them choose how they want to live their lives...to either accept Him or not.


"God cannot be omniscient under this premise, because then he would already know whether or not I’m going to fail and the test would be pointless in the first place."


God does know how you live your life. God does know how you are going to live your life as a non-believer, or a believer. What part of your life are you living for? Adam and Eve were already put to the test to either choose the tree of life or the tree of knowledge. God is UNPREDICTABLE. We don't know how He works in our life. We don't know how He operates our livings. He knows every choice we make. He knows every step you take. He knows what happens if you either do this or do that. There is no time limit on His hand. He's waiting for you to receive Him so that you could start your new life with Him for He has a wonderful plan for you.


Honestly, all this theodocies or evil could not even define why God let this happen.

 God saw suffering in this world.

He sent Jesus to heal everyone of us.

He sent His son to die for us.
Jesus, our Lord, suffered greatly...massively...and we couldn't even understand how much suffering He went through.

Children suffers...innocents suffers...Christians suffers.

Evil.

If you look back when Satan tempts Eve, Satan can simply twist the word of the God.

He can tell half-truth and half-lies.

When you look back to when Satan tempts Jesus, he uses that same scheme.

But Jesus knew what was honoring to His Father.

Satan did use the word of God and twist things around with it, but Jesus did not give in that temptation.

We oughta be very careful of how Satan can use this kind of scheme

When we watch this video, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCO76b9jgt0&feature=channel_page, lets think back to God's soverignty.

Lets also think upon this girl.

Whenever she talks, I think back to the verse on the title.

"For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written: 'I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.' Where is the wise man? Where is the scholar? Where is the philospher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? For since the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe."

We, the Christians, are foolish in the perspectives of the Atheists and non-believers.

Guess what?

God loves the foolishness of us.

Guess how much people are watching her videos and appreciating her points?

More than a thousand?

We have our parts to do, as "foolish" Christians.

Let us keep reaching out to those who are lost or very wordly "wise".
Most importantly, please pray for those that are affected by her videos, pray for Laci.

I don't know what her reason is in attacking or targetting Christians.

She said she's tired of facing Christians or dealing with them.

I don't know what she is trying to accomplish.

Deep down inside, the things she said are very foolish.

Maybe...just maybe she believes a little bit of the existence of God.
If she doesn't believe, then why is she talking about it in almost every one of her videos?

She is very bold to be making videos like that and showing her perspective as an Atheist.

Although she only reads or listens to the Scholar's opinion, I believe she needs to investigate this issue of whether God exist or not by herself.

It is only between her and God.

She needs to seek the wisdom of this world.

She needs to get intimate with God in order for her to understand, with the power of the Holy Spirit, who He is in her perspective.

Wow...quite a long blog.

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